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Insights into Bond Markets and the Mysterious Besant Trade
Unlock the mysteries of US bond yields with insights from finance expert St Mnookin, who challenges traditional recession indicators. Discover why the negative spread between 10-year and 2-year US Treasury bond yields might not mean what it used to, and what this could signal for the economic landscape. We promise you'll leave with a fresh perspective on these complex financial dynamics, equipped with the knowledge to navigate potential market storms. Mnookin's expertise sheds light on why Wall Street insiders and everyday investors should be rethinking how they interpret these economic signs.
Join us as we surf the financial waves with the intriguing "Besant trade," a strategy shrouded in mystery yet holding the potential to thrive amid market uncertainties. We'll explore the tools traders might use, like hedging and short selling, and how these strategies can be applied to personal finance. Emphasizing the importance of staying informed through economic indicators, we highlight the power of diversification and professional advice. This episode is your guide to understanding the "economic weather," empowering you to make smarter financial choices aligned with current market conditions.
All right, let's dive in. Today we're going deep into financial markets and we're looking at some interesting stuff about US bond yields that you've sent us Bond yields. Yeah, we've got an email here from St Mnookin he's a finance expert over at IS Investment and a chart that's got me, honestly, a little bit puzzled. It feels like we might have a mystery on our hands, wouldn't you say?
Speaker 2:A market mystery. Oh, I'm in Bond yields. You know they might sound a little boring Well boring to some, but they can actually tell us a lot about where the economy is going.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and Mnookin's email really caught my eye. He's saying there's something strange happening with the spread between 10-year and 2-year US Treasury bond yields. Yeah, that spread, that two-year US Treasury bond yields.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that spread.
Speaker 1:That gap that everyone's always talking about. He's suggesting that. You know, this spread is usually a pretty good way to predict recessions. Yeah, but maybe, just maybe, it's not working the same way anymore. Interesting, so maybe you can help us out here. This spread why is it so important? What does it actually tell us?
Speaker 2:Well, you can think of it like a measure of how confident investors are feeling about the future.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:When they're optimistic, feeling good about the long term, they'll put their money in those 10-year bonds.
Speaker 1:Makes sense.
Speaker 2:They'll accept a lower return, you know, a lower yield, because they're in it for the long haul. But when things start looking uncertain, when they get nervous about what's coming, they tend to flock to those safer short-term bonds like the two-year treasuries, even if the return isn't as good.
Speaker 1:So it's all about risk and reward basically.
Speaker 2:Exactly. It's like a balancing act, weighing up how much risk you're willing to take for a potential reward.
Speaker 1:Right right, but here's where things get really interesting. Manoukian's email mentions that this spread just recently took a pretty sharp dip. Yeah, email mentions that this spread just recently took a pretty sharp dip. It's back in negative territory after actually being positive in early September. So what does that mean? Are we looking at a recession warning here? Should we all be, you know, heading for the hills?
Speaker 2:Well, I wouldn't say heading for the hills just yet, but a negative yield spread yeah, that's historically been a pretty reliable signal that a recession might be on the way. Think about it this way when that two-year yield is higher than the 10-year yield, investors are basically saying they're more confident about the short term than they are about what's coming further down the line.
Speaker 1:That is kind of unsettling when you put it like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's not exactly the most comforting sign, that's for sure. No, no, definitely not.
Speaker 1:And to make things even more well intriguing, shall we say, mnookin's email throws in this little tidbit about something called the Besant trade.
Speaker 2:Oh, the Besant trade. Now that does sound interesting.
Speaker 1:Right, I mean it sounds like something out of a Wall Street thriller or something.
Speaker 2:It does, doesn't it A little bit cloak and dagger?
Speaker 1:Yeah, a little bit. So what do you think? What could this Besant trade be all about?
Speaker 2:Well, it's hard to say for sure without knowing more, but if I had to guess I'd say it's probably some kind of strategy, you know something cooked up to make money off of. Well, exactly this kind of market uncertainty we're talking about. It wouldn't surprise me if some very smart people are already positioning themselves for a different kind of economic downturn, one that doesn't quite fit the usual pattern.
Speaker 1:So the old playbook might not work this time around.
Speaker 2:It might need some serious revisions, that's for sure. The market, you know it's constantly changing.
Speaker 1:Right, right, okay. So we've got this negative yield spread, potentially pointing towards a recession, and this mysterious besant trade lurking in the shadows. I'm hooked already. But before we go full conspiracy theorist, let's take a look at this chart you mentioned.
Speaker 2:Ah, yes, the chart. It can tell us a lot, you know, sometimes more than words can.
Speaker 1:A picture's worth a thousand words, or so they say.
Speaker 2:Exactly.
Speaker 1:And this one. It's pretty dramatic, to say the least. That drop into the negative it's hard to miss, honestly.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's quite a plunge.
Speaker 1:So what's the chart? Showing us that maybe Mnookin's email didn't. What's the visual story here?
Speaker 2:Well, for one thing, it's confirming what Mnookin's saying.
Speaker 1:Okay, but it's also really driving home the point visually. Look at how much that spread has been jumping around yeah it's volatile. And the recent trend down, down, down. It's like a roller coaster on a one-way track.
Speaker 2:Right, not exactly a smooth ride.
Speaker 1:No, not at all, and it's telling me that we might be in uncharted territory here. The old rules, the traditional signals, they might not be as reliable as they used to be. It's a new market, a new game.
Speaker 2:A whole new ballgame. Yeah, so it sounds like we're seeing a potential shift in how the market works, but what does that actually mean for you know, someone like me or our listener who might not be a Wall Street insider? What's the?
Speaker 1:takeaway here? That's the question, isn't it? And that's why we're here. Look, even if you're not out there making besant trades or obsessing over every little market fluctuation, understanding what these signals mean can help you make better financial decisions.
Speaker 2:OK, so it's not just about the big players, the Wall Street types.
Speaker 1:Not at all.
Speaker 2:It's about all of us.
Speaker 1:Exactly, it's a.
Speaker 2:If you know a storm might be coming, you can prepare, you can grab an umbrella. These economic indicators, they're like that weather forecast for your finances.
Speaker 1:So what you're saying is this isn't just about bond traders trying to make a quick buck, nope, it's about all of us becoming more aware of the bigger picture and making sure we're ready for whatever's coming next.
Speaker 2:Exactly, it's about taking control of your financial future even when things feel uncertain. You know, I mentioned earlier the Feds like a conductor. Well, they've been raising interest rates to try and get inflation under control.
Speaker 1:Yeah, trying to tame that inflation monster.
Speaker 2:Right, but it's not always that simple, you see, because when interest rates go up, sometimes it can make investors a little bit nervous about the future, about the long term.
Speaker 1:Really how so.
Speaker 2:Well, think about it. If borrowing keeps getting more expensive, businesses might start to hesitate. They might not invest as much. Economic growth can slow down and suddenly those 10-year bonds don't look so attractive anymore.
Speaker 1:So the Fed, trying to fix one problem inflation could actually be contributing to another problem a potential recession.
Speaker 2:That's the challenge they face, isn't it? It's like a big puzzle, trying to keep all the pieces in balance. And then, of course, there's the global situation to consider. Things aren't exactly calm out there in the world, are they?
Speaker 1:No, not at all. It seems like every time you turn around there's some new crisis, some new source of tension. You know political stuff supply chain issues, energy prices going crazy.
Speaker 2:Exactly. And all of that uncertainty it can spill over into the US market, making investors even more cautious.
Speaker 1:I can see why they'd be nervous. They might think well if things are looking shaky in other parts of the world. Maybe it's better to play it safe. Stick with those short-term bonds, even if the returns aren't as high. So it's not just what's happening in the US, it's the whole global picture that's making investors act this way.
Speaker 2:Right. The world's a very interconnected place these days. You can't just ignore what's happening elsewhere. And then on top of all that, we have to factor in something that's a bit harder to measure what Investor psychology, fear and greed, those emotions can really drive market behavior. Sometimes people make decisions based on how they're feeling rather than cold hard logic.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I've seen how quickly things can change when fear takes hold. It's like everyone just follows the crowd running for the exits.
Speaker 2:Exactly. It's like a herd mentality and in this case, even if the economy isn't actually in terrible shape, even if things aren't as bad as they seem, just the whisper of a recession, that fear alone can be enough to push investors towards those safer short-term bonds and drive that yield spread down even further.
Speaker 1:Wow. So it's this really intricate mix of things all happening at once.
Speaker 2:It is, yeah, the Fed's actions, global uncertainty, investor sentiment. It's like trying to untangle a really complicated knot.
Speaker 1:Right, and that's why understanding these signals can be so tough, right it?
Speaker 2:is. It's not enough to just look at one thing in isolation. You have to see the whole picture.
Speaker 1:The bigger context.
Speaker 2:Exactly. And even then, you know, sometimes even the experts don't have all the answers.
Speaker 1:Well, that's reassuring to know that even the experts get stumped sometimes.
Speaker 2:We're all learning as we go right.
Speaker 1:Right, but we keep trying, we keep digging, trying to make sense of it all.
Speaker 2:Speaking of which, that Besant trade we talked about earlier, that feels like a pretty important piece of this puzzle wouldn't you say, oh, definitely, it's a real head scratcher.
Speaker 1:This one it is. Do you think? Could it be maybe a way for investors to actually profit from all this uncertainty, from this volatility?
Speaker 2:It's definitely possible. Imagine a strategy that's designed not to fight the current but to go with the flow, to actually make money from all the ups and downs. Maybe that's what the best in trade is all about.
Speaker 1:Okay, so like riding the waves instead of trying to control them.
Speaker 2:Exactly Like a surfer who can handle the biggest, most chaotic waves.
Speaker 1:Hmm, I like that, but what would that look like in practice? What kind of moves would someone making a Besantrade be making?
Speaker 2:Well, that's the question, isn't it? If we knew for sure, we'd probably be retired by now, enjoying the fruits of our Besson trade success. Yeah, sipping cocktails on a beach somewhere, right? Something like that. But we can make some educated guesses, right? We can use what we know about how markets work, what we know about investor psychology, and try to connect the dots.
Speaker 1:Okay, so let's put our thinking caps on. What could these Besant traders be doing?
Speaker 2:Well, first of all, they're probably hedging their bets.
Speaker 1:Hedging.
Speaker 2:Meaning they're not putting all their eggs in one basket. They're spreading their investments around, across different asset classes, different sectors, to protect themselves from any big swings in one direction.
Speaker 1:So spreading the risk.
Speaker 2:Exactly, and they might also be looking at alternative investments, things that tend to do well when traditional markets are struggling.
Speaker 1:Okay, like what.
Speaker 2:Things like gold commodities, maybe even certain types of real estate, things that act as safe havens when investors are feeling nervous.
Speaker 1:Ah, so it's like finding shelter from the storm, financially speaking.
Speaker 2:Exactly. And then there's another possibility, a little more on the risky side Short selling. If they think certain assets are going to drop in value, they could actually profit from that decline.
Speaker 1:Hmm, that sounds a little risky.
Speaker 2:It is, it can be, but higher risk can sometimes lead to higher rewards. It's all about carefully calculating the potential upside and downside.
Speaker 1:So we've got hedging, alternative investments. Short selling Sounds like the Besant trade could involve any or all of these, maybe even some things we haven't even thought of yet.
Speaker 2:Exactly that's what makes finance so interesting there's always something new to learn, some new strategy to discover.
Speaker 1:So we might not have all the answers about the Besant trade just yet, but we've got some good ideas about what might be going on. We've got a sense of how this market shift is playing out and how some investors are adapting to it. But before we go any further, I want to bring it back to our listener. What does all this mean for someone who's just trying to, you know, figure out their own finances?
Speaker 2:That's the important question, right? It's all well and good to talk about theory, but how does it apply to real life?
Speaker 1:Exactly so. Let's connect the dots. How does this market shift this best in trade? How does it all affect the average person?
Speaker 2:Well, it really comes down to being aware and being prepared. Even if you're not, you know, diving into these complicated trading strategies, just understanding what these signals mean can help you make smarter choices about your own money.
Speaker 1:So it's not about becoming a day trader overnight.
Speaker 2:No, not at all.
Speaker 1:It's about being more aware of the economic I guess weather and adjusting our plans accordingly.
Speaker 2:Exactly Like if you see storm clouds on the horizon, you might grab an umbrella right. Right, these economic indicators they're. You see storm clouds on the horizon, you might grab an umbrella right.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:These economic indicators. They're like those storm clouds If you understand what they mean, you can be ready for whatever financial weather might be heading your way.
Speaker 1:I like that the economic weather forecast Right. So, okay, no panicking, got it?
Speaker 2:No panicking.
Speaker 1:What else? What are some practical things our listener can do, even if they're not, you know, making any besant trades?
Speaker 2:Well, first of all, I'd say knowledge is power. Just by being here listening to this, you're already ahead of the game. Ok, good, you're aware of the potential risks and the potential opportunities. Right Now, it's about applying that knowledge to your own situation. So take a look at your financial goals. What are you saving for Retirement? A down payment on a house? Once you know what you're aiming for, you can start to see how these market shifts might affect your plans.
Speaker 1:So it's about making sure our financial plan matches the economic weather forecast.
Speaker 2:Exactly If you're close to retirement and it looks like a recession might be coming, you might want to shift some of your investments to something a little safer, a little more conservative. But if you're younger, you have more time you might actually see this as a chance to buy stocks at a lower price.
Speaker 1:Oh, interesting.
Speaker 2:It really depends on your personal situation and your goals. There's no one size fits all answer.
Speaker 1:Right. It's about what's right for you.
Speaker 2:Exactly. And one more thing I always recommend, no matter what's happening in the market.
Speaker 1:Diversification.
Speaker 2:Diversification right. Don't put all your eggs in one basket.
Speaker 1:Spread your investments around Different asset classes, different sectors, even different parts of the world. So even if one part of the market takes a hit, you're not completely wiped out.
Speaker 2:Exactly. It's a cushion to blow, and if you're really not sure what to do, don't be afraid to talk to a financial advisor. They can help you figure out your risk tolerance. Come up with a plan that works for you.
Speaker 1:Right, like having a guide in the wilderness or something.
Speaker 2:Exactly. You don't have to navigate these choppy waters alone.
Speaker 1:I like that. But beyond getting advice, what can people do on their own to you know, stay ahead of the curve.
Speaker 2:That's where the real power comes in. Right, Keep learning, stay curious. The world of finance is always changing.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So it's important to stay up to date.
Speaker 1:So it's not just like set it and forget it Nope, you got to stay engaged. Read, listen, learn.
Speaker 2:Exactly. Read financial news, listen to podcasts, follow people you trust Right. The more you know, the better decisions you can make.
Speaker 1:Well, I think we've given our listeners a lot to think about today.
Speaker 2:We have.
Speaker 1:We've talked about these mysterious market signals, this besant trade that we're still trying to figure out. Still a mystery.
Speaker 2:And even some strategies that investors might be using. But you know, even if we didn't solve every single puzzle today, I think the important thing is the process right.
Speaker 1:Absolutely.
Speaker 2:Thinking critically, asking questions, being willing to dig a little deeper.
Speaker 1:That's how we learn.
Speaker 2:And hey who knows, Maybe one day we'll crack the code of the Besant trade. Maybe, and we'll all be sipping cocktails on a beach somewhere.
Speaker 1:That's the dream, but really, the knowledge we gain along the way, that's the real reward.
Speaker 2:Well said. Okay, I think that's a wrap for this deep dive.
Speaker 1:Sounds good. It's been great exploring all this with you Likewise, and listeners keep sending us those sources, those questions, those things that are making you curious, we love getting those we do. We're here to help you make sense of the financial world, one deep dive at a time.
Speaker 2:That's right. Until next time, stay curious, stay informed and keep exploring. Incom.